School of the Prophetic
First LESSON in THE SCHOOL OF DISCERNMENT.
Prophetic Perception And Discernment
CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH.....First Salvo
Gentlemen,
There is always a point in time when the things THE CAPTAIN has shown me
suddenly begin to happen. This is one that i have been waiting on for a good 7-8 years.
But it must wait till Randy posts the THING from Daryl Thies and sends his response.
OKAY..... First LESSON in THE
This is a response to a Daryl Thies.
To most people few can discern whether something is an error until they are nearly
through the article they are reading, or the speaker is winding up for THE BIG
FINISH. Basically they do not pick up "the little things", the STUFF
that THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT just simply EXPLODES ON ! ! !
But you have to be "sensitive" to THAT STILL SMALL VOICE. Which takes things like time, experience and a
yearning for THE FATHER'S WILL to be done.
But you have to start somewhere....so here is LESSON
Mr Daryl Thies sent a post refuting Randy
McKee. Here is the first sentence.
Whoever Randy is, let it be known that even you got saved by someone that had
enough love for God & you to prayed for you while they were still under the spell of, how did you put it?
Personally...standing alone...what Mr Thies says makes little
sense. But there is a glaring ERROR right in the center of this sentence.
Most "churches" teach/preach and "people" believe that
people are "prayed" into "THE KINGDOM". That if you get
enough people praying long enough and hard enough they can get anyone saved.
Now in Eph 6:18 Paul tells us who we are to pray for the SAINTS... Praying
always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto
with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Now the "church" is into "getting people saved"....so is Mr Theis. But he misses something very important.
Or should i say, he misses SOMEONE
important....VERY IMPORTANT. According to JESUS no one can come to HIM for the
purpose of "BEING SAVED" unless THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT ACTS.... Mr Theis forgot about THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT. Now i need to ask all on the
WPA...how do you simply "forget" THE COMFORTER, THE MOST HOLY SPRIT
of THE MOST HIGH GOD?
ANSWER...you can not if THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT is ACTIVELY LIVING
Now Mr Theis can certainly argue my position. In fact i would expect him to do so
loudly, vigorously, and with lots of scripture verses used out of context. But it really will not matter
because i have his whole
POST i could comment and
point out problems right and left. Only i am not. All on the WPA should do so on
their own.
Second point i would like
to make to the WPA is not really requiring THE GIFT OF DISCERNMENT. Instead it
is basic COMMON SENSE.
Mr Daryl Thies is a complete unknown to
me. Now the POST he sent out tells us a lot. He mentions Randy but messes up by
starting with "Whoever Randy is....".
Which tells us he has no idea who Randy
McKee and the WPA are. PEOPLE....the
WPA is an open site. Anyone can lurk out there watching what is
going on.
And when THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT gets us turned in the RIGHT DIRECTION....and
someone starts to move... THE ENEMY will REACT. In the past, people on THE WPA
who we know and interacted with would jump up and stall the MOVEMENT or
DISTRACT the WPA from that RIGHT DIRECTION. In the past few months many of
those "members" have either "moved on" or "been
removed".
We of the WPA have known Randy McKee for years. He shares his heart with us
often. He is a man of GOD. What he has PROCLAIMED is in LINE with what THE
ANCIENT OF DAYS has shown me in a VISION. It is in line with the LEADERS and
SOME OF the members of THE WPA. The WPA ARCHIVES can tell you what this olddog is about...as for Mr Theis....nada. Now for a little bit more common
sense....Mr Theis is not alone. He forwarded
his POST against Randy to several "people"....none i recognize.... Stephen Bellino; Dale Trevor;
edheart83704@yahoo.com;
dave32506@americaslastdays.com;
viasollertia@paradise.net.nz;
apostledbm@uniserve.com;
dennishelbig@yahoo.com
so WPA...be OBSERVANT....be AWARE..... maybe you do not agree with WAR....fine but tell THE LITTLE HORN your problems.
Me...i go where THE KING OF KINGS sends me and do what HE TELLS me what to do.
So what are you doing?
selah
olddog
Bob Neumann
Dear People, In the last few days some people have
noted certain "PROPHETIC INCONSISTENCIES" that have floated over and
through the INTERNET. Now exactly how many "prophetic sites" are out
there on the
So if you expect something short and simple you can delete and move on
because what is churning in my spirit is neither. Today we are in a world where
most people have no clue how GOD WORKS because they have listened and learned
from
Scripturally we have a template of what is a "prophet" as GOD intended. The "IMAGE" of WATCHMAN goes steadily along with it. And we can blame Isaiah and Ezekiel for it all.....
6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall
never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep
not silence,
7 And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make
Jerusalem a praise in the earth.
8 The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength,
Surely I will no more give thy corn to be meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which
thou hast laboured:
9 But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD;
and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my
holiness.
In Isaiah 62 GOD HIMSELF claims placing and appointing watchmen. Their job is
to annoy THE MOST HIGH with prayer and intercession. WHY? Good question. Read
all of Isaiah 62. GOD MADE PROMISES....and will fulfill them. PERIOD. But in HIS TIME. So we have
to ask about DIVINE TIMETABLES....11 The burden of Dumah. He calleth to me out of Seir, Watchman, what of the night?
Watchman, what of the night?
12 The watchman said, The morning cometh,
and also the night: if ye will enquire, enquire ye: return, come.
Now Isaiah 21:11-12 shows GOD addressing the WATCHMAN...but the whole chapter
really pivots around JUDGMENT and the FALL OF BABYLON. The Prophet Habakkuk
mentions his role as "watchman"...
1 I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will
watch to see what he will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am
reproved.
2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it
shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely
come, it will not tarry.
"WATCHMEN" and "PROPHETS" according to these few verses
answer to GOD. Not man. Some as Habakkuk and Isaiah are given dreams and
visions of THE END TIMES that will surely come. So if they all "COME FROM
GOD" it makes sense if they are "consistent". Now this takes me
to EZEKIEL...and the CALL....
4 And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of
5 For thou art not sent to a people of a strange speech and of an
hard language, but to the house of
6 Not to many people of a strange speech and of an hard language,
whose words thou canst not understand. Surely, had I sent thee to them, they
would have hearkened unto thee.
7 But the house of
8 Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy
forehead strong against their foreheads.
9 As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a
rebellious house.
10 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall
speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears.
11 And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of
thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; whether they will hear, or whether they
will forbear.
12 Then the spirit took me up, and I heard behind me a voice of a
great rushing, saying, Blessed be the glory of the LORD from his place.
13 I heard also the noise of the wings of the living creatures that
touched one another, and the noise of the wheels over against them, and a noise
of a great rushing.
17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of
What is interesting is that GOD sends Ezekiel as a WATCHMAN and PROPHET unto
THE HOUSE OF
1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto
them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man
of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the
land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the
trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come,
and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
Please understand that THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL had not listened to Ezekiel...or
any other of GOD'S PROPHETS. Here GOD does something different. HE tells
"the people" to pick their own watchman from among themselves. And
when the JUDGMENT COMES...THE TRUMPET BLOWS...that "people's
watchman" will be judged just as GOD JUDGES HIS OWN ANOINTED WATCHMEN.
EZEKIEL hears right from THE THRONE
27 Say thou thus unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; As I live, surely they that are in the wastes shall fall by the
sword, and him that is in the open field will I give to the beasts to be
devoured, and they that be in the forts and in the caves shall die of the pestilence.
28 For I will lay the land most desolate, and the pomp of her
strength shall cease; and the mountains of
29 Then shall they know that I am the LORD, when I have laid the
land most desolate because of all their abominations which they have committed.
30 Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are
talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one
to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what
is the word that cometh forth from the LORD.
31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before
thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with
their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
32 And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song of one that
hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument: for they hear thy
words, but they do them not.
33 And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they
know that a prophet hath been among them.
1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy,
and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the
shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that
are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
Now that is just the beginning of Chapter 34....it deserves being studied daily.
So why are there "PROPHETIC INCONSISTENCIES"? Because we have two sets of WATCHMEN and PROPHETS. Those sent by and who "hear" THE MOST HIGH GOD...and those who were not.
In a nutshell, that is the whole problem....nice and simple. How to distinguish between the two is a problem. Now many people like to turn to Paul to explain the lack of consistency...
11 When I was a child, I spake as a
child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man,
I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face:
now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity,
these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
As far as I am concerned Paul did not write 1 Corinthians 13 as a
"prophetic litmus test". Because "we" are all
"immature" we are limited on what we see. This excuses all
inconsistencies for most people. Explains the weird and
bizarre that sometimes comes out of no where on the
Back to Paul...12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut
off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may
be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be
transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to
their works.
Like verse 15? Compare it to Matthew 6...1 Take heed that ye do
not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of
your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do
not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in
the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy
right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and
thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward
thee openly.
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be
seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their
reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into
thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in
secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall
reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for
they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the
hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may
appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which
is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret,
shall reward thee openly.
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and
rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth
nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Here JESUS has HIS WAY of GIVING...PRAYING....and FASTING. Those who do it there own way get their own rewards. As Paul said...according to their own works. Sure they "look" and "sound" religious....spiritual even. Only that is the problem, if you give, pray, fast as JESUS WANTS....no one would see or hear. No one would notice...except ABBA.
Who is exactly THE
So how do we explain INCONSISTENCIES....simple....people saying and sharing things they either do not understand....or ......worse yet....make up as they go.
In the long run we all are to judge and weigh everything we "see" or "hear" by THE LOGOS and THE RHEMA. So we have to study the SCRIPTURE and listen to THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT. Then we can pick up our own cross and follow THE GOOD SHEPHERD.
SELAH bob
Bob Neumann
I have been sitting on this "WORD" for several days. First of all
it was not "complete", that there were "aspects" or
"pieces of the puzzle" I had yet to be given. Sometimes
"visions", "dreams", and "rhema"
come forth from THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT in sudden BURSTS of intensity. And then
there are times you have to get segments over a protracted time. In
14 For God speaketh once, yea twice,
yet man perceiveth it not.
15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from
man.
18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit,
and his life from perishing by the sword.
This goes with what Solomon spoke of in Ecclesiastes 3...
14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever:
nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it:
and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already
been; and God requireth that which is past.
Over the years I have listened to liberal theologians and simple scoffers
basically say the GOD had really nothing to do with SCRIPTURE. That THE WORD OF
GOD is but the creation of men, so should be treated
as nothing more than compilation of archaic stories and tall tales. What scares
me is the vast number of "church going" people that accept and
support the humanist gospel. Just because someone goes inside a building once a
week does not assure you of the kind of "fruit" that you will find.
But even the term I used here, "fruit", is a SCRIPTURAL
"IMAGE". It is used repeatedly in both the OLD TESTAMENT and NEW
TESTAMENT. In fact all that
Today we see "the prophetic" flowing all over the internet. Many who interact on "prophetic sites" share dreams and visions routinely. "Prophetic Declaration" became a popular topic years ago. But little "fruit" came from most of it. Over the years certain "images" have repeated themselves over time. Some so often that patterns become apparent.
Today in central
Which takes me to the reason for all this....as BONNIE and CHARLIE were yet
to get names THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT was kind enough to give me several
"images". In the time that has past I have slowly "connected the
dots" and have reached this place where I can do two things. I can go to
bed and forget it. And then live with my disobedience....or I can proceed. So I
proceed.... The FIRST IMAGE was of watching a pair of hands moving three walnut
shells on a table top. In worldly circles this is called THE SHELL GAME. The
"hands" want you to bet money on whether your eyes are more efficient
than the "HANDS". Supposedly there is a pea under one shell and the
"patter" goes "IS THE
Each morning for several days there was "really" dense fog. Pardon
my use of "really" here....I couldn't help myself. But on two
mornings it was so dense that while the sun was up....you could not tell which
direction to look for it if you did not know where east was supposed to be. On
both these days you could not see the sun in the east or the sky overhead. On
each morning I found myself staring up-wards thinking I could not tell anything
about what the weather had in store for the day. Each of these days it was well
past
THE THIRD IMAGE is a repeat I had several nights ago of a VISION I had years
ago that was sent out on the internet called "SMOKE
SMOKE
THE FOG was so dense that one could not see much of anything. So if you
wanted to see if a STORM was approaching you could not. The delay in
"knowing" allowed THE STORM TO BE OVERHEAD....and you did not know.
Again you have a "NO
Deuteronomy 13
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams,
and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which
thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of
that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with
all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his
commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to
death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which
brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of
bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to
walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the
midst of thee.
I start with Deuteronomy 13 because here we have "signs" and "wonders" that "COME TO PASS". Yet the warning is that these "signs" and "wonders" occurred so that "someone" could get the people to follow "other gods". In the NEW TESTAMENT we are also warned...but about "lying signs and wonders"...
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord
shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the
brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all
power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that
perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be
saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had
pleasure in unrighteousness.
Now this is the great passage from 2 Thessalonians....but it is GOD who sends "them" strong delusion". Now there is OLD TESTAMENT precedence here. THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, and JACOB decided it was time for AHAB to.....
19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw
the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on
his right hand and on his left.
20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade
Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And
one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and
said, I will persuade him.
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?
And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all
his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the
mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath
spoken evil concerning thee.
So much for trusting in professional prophets. In
Jeremiah 23 THE LORD lays into everyone who are trying
to deceive
13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of
14 I have seen also in the prophets of
15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts
concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them
drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of
16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken
not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain:
they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil
shall come upon you.
18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived
and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and
heard it?
19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a
grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of
his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken
to them, yet they prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to
hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from
the evil of their doings.
23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and
not a God afar off?
24 Can any hide himself in secret places
that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my
name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy
lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their
own heart;
27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams
which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their
fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that
hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to
err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded
them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.
33 And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask
thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them,
What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.
34 And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even
punish that man and his house.
35 Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour,
and every one to his brother, What hath the LORD
answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken?
36 And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every
man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living
God, of the LORD of hosts our God.
37 Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the LORD answered thee? and,
What hath the LORD spoken?
38 But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the
LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the
LORD;
39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will
forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of
my presence:
40 And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a
perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.
Now verses 20 and 21 are most important. Twenty refers to THE LATER DAYS....like JOEL does. It is the time reference for NOW...Verse 21 is interesting...the false prophets "ran" and "prophesied". But GOD DID NOT SPEAK or SEND THEM. This is a direct reference to Habakkuk 2.......
1 I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will
watch to see what he will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am
reproved.
2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it
shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely
come, it will not tarry.
In verse 1 GOD IS EXPECTED TO SPEAK....in verse 2 the prophet /watchman /servant listens and writes what he is told so he can "run" with it. Jeremiah 23 says the boys who were "running" never heard from GOD...were never "sent". And verse 3 speaks of THE APPOINTED TIME. Now there can be a lot of APPOINTED TIMES....Jeremiah speaks of some throughout the BOOK....which one is ours?
8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the
God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of
you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent
them, saith the LORD. Once again
the image of "not being sent". So we come to the point of who
has GOD SENT? Who had a "REALLY ANOINTED" dream, vision, word....and
who did not? Joel 2 says a lot but gives no bench mark. In fact it is extremely
inclusive...
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my
spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your
old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days
will I pour out my spirit.
"All flesh" is definitively all encompassing....so is sons,
daughters, handmaidens and servants. So we are about to enter a time of extreme
deception. A major "con" is about to take place. That is THE SHELL
GAME. The intention behind it is to confuse our focus, limit our discernment
and perception so that THE FOG will keep us from "KNOWING" that THE
STORM IS HERE. Now all that leaves is SMOKE
In the OLD TESTAMENT the images of PROPHETIC CONFRONTATION are very
unsettling. GOD'S SERVANTS are out numbered, out gunned, and usually meet
tragic ends. When Jerry had to face off with an ACCEPTED PROPHET he was branded
a "false prophet" and got slugged. Now GOD knocked off the "bad
guy" but did not prevent Jerry from getting hammered. Back in the AHAB story,
the prophet Micaiah was in the dungeon and brought
out to "perform" for Ahab and the PROFESSIONAL PROPHETS. Here he got
"smote" like Jerry did and sent to the AMMONITES to be imprisoned. We
never hear about him again. Last but not least there is the "young
10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.
selah
Bob
Dear WPA,
I am addressing the community of the WPA with an issue that i have
been unable to place into proper focus. We have looked at the ideas
of "salvation", "the church"...and THE TRUTH. Yesterday the
"idea"
immerged of "contending for the faith" came forward.
I ask myself...HOW DO WE CONTEND? But i also ask WHO
DO WE CONTEND
WITH? Scripture says we "put on the WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD"....to
withstand the attacks of THE ENEMY. Paul also says we wrestle/fight/
whatever with things not of flesh and blood. Yet it is flesh and
blood men and women that are the "conduits" or
"instigators" of
strife and division. It is human beings that foster error and
deception. JESUS calls them NICOLAOTINS. HE HATES THEM....HE SAID SO.
So i ask myself what am i to do right now. For the last few months i
have stood back and watched as the world and the church move together
into deeper darkness. I hear stories of abuse and confusion from
people who are mature christians.
Then i wonder, what about the
millions of people that sit in the pews across
hunger for more, but have no idea where to go or to what to look for.
They sit in churches and listen to men or women who are unsaved,
have no anointing, follow agendas set by boards, denominations, or
egos running rampant.
Where is the line of battle forming?
Over what can be important enough as being worth fighting for?
Scripture speaks of being ready to give answer at all times. Of being
wise and faithful servants working for the KINGDOM, doing the duties
THE KING has assigned us when HE RETURNS.
There are many who are "sharing" what GOD has said will occur in the
next year. One Moderator said we should expect and accept many
variations and alternatives because "we all see in part". What this
Moderator is stating that we must accept all and every thing that
comes down the pike.
I do not think so. And i will not.
The only answer is discernment. To know what is of GOD...THE TRUTH,
and what is not.
I too have been "given" images over the last two weeks. But they do
not fit what most others are talking about. So do i listen to THE
MOST HOLY SPIRIT...or to men?
That is the question others ask and struggle over.
But why?
Maybe that is the TRENCH...THE REDOUGHT where we must withstand the
ATTACK that comes.
selah
bob neumann
Dear Stephen,
Today someone forwarded to me the latest report from Bill Koenig. I usually enjoy reading his insights to the global and national events. He speaks as a "watchman" who looks out at the landscape and watches events unfold. But this time he says some things that are on my heart. Seems he too is looking in the right direction to see the clouds moving ahead of "THE STORM". So let me share a slice of what i just read....
NewsWatch: The New Year—Bill Koenig
The New Year—Looking Ahead
“But of the times and the
seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know
perfectly that the day of the Lord cometh as a thief
in the night.” (1 Thessalonians 5:1-2 KJV)
As in previous years, a lot of "tickle the ears" personal prophecies
are appearing. Last year, we observed that many of these prophecies circulated,
and a very large majority of them turned out
to be way off base. You might consider noting this year’s prophecies, writing
them down, or printing them, and setting them aside for later review.
Readers should note that there is also a difference between“prophecies”
and “possibilities.” Prophecies assume an inspired Word from God, while
possibilities don't—even though they may have some divine insight associated
with them.
This is some solid advice from a man who
does not title himself or advertise himself in religious or spiritual forms.
But what i really liked was the
differentiation between “prophecies” and “possibilities.”. Most of what is coming forth titled as "STUFF FOR 2002" is
almost all "possibilities". Someone made a comment
about "just one week into the NEW YEAR"....in a previous post. In
their perspective they are right. The "western world" says the year
just began. In
But that is not the issue...how we think is.
Mr. Koenig says "Prophecies assume an
inspired Word from God"...which is TRUE. We "assume" it is from
GOD. But Paul told the Church in
Now many people quote and teach this.....and it is indeed, some real good stuff. But....i know i like this conjunction....BUT....the whole chapter is dynamic...and rarely addressed....so let me start to address an issue....FALSE BRETHREN and THEIR FRUIT....
Many will refuse to believe that something labeled as "religious", "christian", "of god"....just may not be.
Many want to "know" what the next year will be like.
Many desire man to tell them things will be good, safe, happy....because they have never heard GOD before. And they have been taught GOD LOVES THEM and will BLESS them...even if they do not know HIM...have no covenant with HIM...and do the things GOD SAYS HE WILL CURSE.
SELAH...please.
So if anyone really wants to know what GOD IS SAYING for the HERE and NOW....just study to show yourselves as approved workmen....
2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
In his letter to Timothy Paul addresses a situation that would take place in some distant future. He describes it for young Timothy...and for whoever would read as led by THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT...
He says, as directed and anointed by THE LIVING GOD, there would come a time called THE LAST DAYS....something spoken of by the major and minor prophets. It would hold great danger to believers. And "we" could KNOW that time by examples in verses 2-6. Paul also makes a statement that that for 2000 years has awaited this "time and season"....
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Today in amerika "secular humanism" replaced scripture in most seminaries and bible colleges 30-40 years ago. Men and women earn titles and degrees to put behind their names to impress the flocks. To impress "boards". Yet throughout the "church" there is a famine. Children and sheep starve....because they can not turn away from those who have no knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
Here Paul associates this church leadership with the magicians that contended against MOSES and YHWH...Paul says they "resist the TRUTH". Powerful accusation. Then explains it as the fruit of corrupt minds and reprobate in their ways. Paul spoke on this in Romans also.
In amerika today we have been reaping TARES planted in THE MASTER'S field 30-40-50 years ago. Tares can not be threshed and ground to flour for "BREAD" to feed THE CHILDREN OF GOD.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
Paul says that there will come a time where this all we come to light, be exposed. And then does something interesting...
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions,
which came unto me at
Paul sets a "standard"
on how to judge APOSTLES and TEACHERS...by using himself as an example. The
TRUE SERVANTS we will know from seeing their lives and hearing their words
upheld by scripture. We will know THAT GOD'S
And then he makes a prophetic line in the sand...
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
Persecution....not
prosperity...is a sign of those who as
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Paul is clear...those who are evil and serve the enemy will only get worse.....please remember this...
But Paul is not really a "doom and gloom" guy....he shines some light here...
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Paul tells Timmy that THE HOLY SCRIPTURE, THE WORD OF GOD will through FAITH IN JESUS make us wise...but not in our own eyes.
And Paul gives us the reason why...
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Now that is how verses 16 and 17 should be discussed, explained....because it has a purpose.
So should we.
We should be able to discern what is of GOD....and what is not.
But most do not.
GOD'S CHILDREN should differentiate between ABBA'S VOICE, and the voices of THE LYING SPIRITS that were sent to the false prophets.
For me the question is why would someone want to be a false prophet. Why would anyone want to hear anything not of GOD?
There is an answer...from long ago. But it addresses more than false prophets. Boy does it ever....Deuteronomy 18
1 The priests the Levites, and
all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance
with
2 Therefore shall they have no inheritance among their brethren: the LORD is their inheritance, as he hath said unto them.
Here it is MOSES instructing a nation, as Paul was teaching Timothy. And Moses starts with the LEVITES....the professional clergy. GOD tells MOSES that the LEVITES are GOD'S responsibility and have no inheritance as the other tribes. But GOD will provide...
3 And this shall be the priest's due from the people, from them that offer a sacrifice, whether it be ox or sheep; and they shall give unto the priest the shoulder, and the two cheeks, and the maw.
4 The firstfruit also of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the first of the fleece of thy sheep, shalt thou give him.
5 For the LORD thy God hath chosen him out of all thy tribes, to stand to minister in the name of the LORD, him and his sons for ever.
It is GOD'S IDEA that the LEVITES are chosen and set apart for service to HIM. In the New TESTAMENT we have a "chosen generation", but "service only to GOD" is seldom tied that "royal priesthood" thing. That is error. Anytime man "preaches" about being a chosen generation and a royal priesthood and the message is not on obedience and service it is deception.
SELAH.
6 And if a Levite come from any of thy gates out of all
7 Then he shall minister in the name of the LORD his God, as all his brethren the Levites do, which stand there before the LORD.
8 They shall have like portions to eat, beside that which cometh of the sale of his patrimony.
In other words, the Levites get a daily portion. Divided equally. They have no land, or house, or property to call there own. They do not build personal ministries and take the fleecings of the whole flock. But today the PASTOR stands above all else. Asks for money all the time. Has everyone bow to them... figuratively speaking. Why? It sure was not from the pattern GOD ESTABLISHED for HIS SERVANTS...the LEVITES.
So where did they get their theology and religion from? God tells us....
9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Among the heathens...the priests and magicians were elite, elevated, especial....and liked it. So do today's clergy.
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
When you try to tie verses 9 and 10 together we see the abominations of the nations as idol worship...passing their children through the fire.
Isaiah and Jeremiah confirm that this happened in GOD'S LAND by "his people". Then HE speaks of "users of divination", "astrologers",
"witches and people who use "enchantments". Today most people will say they are modern and do not believe in "hocus pocus". So why does GOD? HE tells MOSES to warn the people.
SELAH.
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Have we driven out all who play with foul spirits? Who hear and speak what lies they hear?
SELAH.
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
GOD calls us to be
"perfect". Many say it can not be, so why try. That i think is the whopper....WHY
YUCK....
But that is why we have to get away from the liars and mockers...by following JESUS and learning "OF HIM'' once we give HIM our burdens as HE has asked us repeatedly to do. But then we have to pick up HIS YOKE.
Now JESUS said all that HE SAID for reasons and purposes. None of HIS WORDS were idle or pointless. In spite of what men and demons say. Following HIM has a plan and a purpose...and that is to be perfected. In spite of the stuff around us.
14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
GOD...our ABBA wants us listening to HIM. HE SENT
HIS
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
The descendants of Abraham,
GOD'S FRIEND, did not want GOD to speak to them. So GOD used Moses. No one
else....yet people were prophesying in the camp. Korah tried to depose MOSES. And DIED. Later Miriam got Aaron to
go with her against MOSES and GOD CURSED HER....now it is all in the BOOK. For
that reason YHWH said HE would send HIS SERVANTS...prophets like MOSES who GOD
WOULD
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
We are not to be "afraid" of the
man or woman that speaks, as GOD says "presumptuously". Why does GOD
say "afraid"? Maybe it is that so many who call themselves
"prophets" and "prophetesses" claim to be from GOD, but
whenever questioned spew curses in all directions. In the time of MOSES there
was a dude called BALAAM. Now this "dude" had a big
Now BALAAM lives today in "his doctrines". In Rev 2 JESUS tells Pergamos that HE holds against
them that they "hold the
doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of
Anyone who causes GOD'S CHILDREN TO STUMBLE....to worship idols....to commit spiritual fornication is into BALAAM. The real problem with Balaam is he claims GOD'S POWER and POSITION....he claims to bless and curse. Things only GOD can do.....or so we claim.
There is a war going on outside the church, and inside the church. Many intercessors will tell of "curses" sent against them. Of schemes and snares set for them. These are facts. The BIGGEST LIE of the enemy which the liberal church bought hook, line and sinker is "THERE IS NO DEVIL"....no ENEMY...no ACCUSER of the BRETHREN. The second biggest lie comes from the secular humanists...THERE IS NO SIN.
The secular humanists claim man was made flawed. Man can not be held
accountable when GOD...if there is a GOD....made man flawed and weak. So sin is
wrong. Now if you buy into that...you do not need a Savior. THE
See how the lies build on themselves. The WORD of GOD tells us to
STUDY.....scripture. The WORD of GOD tells us to seek first HIS KINGDOM. The
WORD OF GOD SAYS HIS YOKE IS
ANY THOUGHTS.....selah
bob neumann